tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4717220359532645973.post3550218741708355719..comments2023-04-09T05:54:18.997-04:00Comments on Learning Complexity: The Hierarchy of Neural Complexitykeith.hamonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08404376705918243534noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4717220359532645973.post-57102845931034795022011-04-26T20:53:37.017-04:002011-04-26T20:53:37.017-04:00Thank you, again, Keith. It seems that you are us...Thank you, again, Keith. It seems that you are using words when some form of multidimensional dynamic art may be needed. I will study and perhaps someday understand.Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4717220359532645973.post-88043151650713991122011-04-20T11:30:55.190-04:002011-04-20T11:30:55.190-04:00Bruce, I think I was being too clever by far. I w...Bruce, I think I was being too clever by far. I was trying to conjure a complex image, and didn't quite succeed.<br><br>Here's what I mean: I see a self similarity in Sporns' concept of <i>chaotic itinerancy</i> and Deleuze and Guattari's <i>asignifying ruptures</i>. Both concepts seem to suggest a similar kind of movement or process in the patterns that emerge in complex network structures, but even <i>emerge</i> is a somewhat awkward term in this case, as it suggests a finished, completed emerged entity. Both chaotic itinerancy and asignifying ruptures refer to a continual, perhaps continuous, process of emerging, of being in that dynamic state poised between regularity and randomness, or as D&G would say: the constant deterritorializing of one form, rupturing, and then reterritorializing elsewhere/when as a self similar form or another form.<br><br>Cognition, then, is not a single thing, a single event, or even a single pattern in our brains. Rather, it is a dynamic, though patterned, movement across neural space and time that unfolds both under its own dynamic and within the dynamic of the brain's ecosystem, which includes all sensory input at the time the cognitive pattern is unfolding, other brain processes, and so on. Cognition is more like the unfolding of a musical motif in a jazz band that expresses itself, submerges, and then re-emerges again in a slightly different expression.<br><br>The Rorschach is the image I used to capture visually the self similarity between the two concepts: that one is the suggestive image of the other.<br><br>At least, I think this is what I meant.keith.hamonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08404376705918243534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4717220359532645973.post-34202808209446606752011-04-19T21:16:17.555-04:002011-04-19T21:16:17.555-04:00"If I understand what Sporns is saying, then ...<i>"If I understand what Sporns is saying, then it seems that neural networks have a chaotic itinerancy that is at least a Rorschach of asignifying ruptures."</i><br><br>Keith, years ago I visited a rural church once and after teaching Sunday school there in the presence of the minister he said, "Now, lets put it down for the children." I looked around, thinking, "There are no children here!" He proceeded to say everything I had said again. I have no idea whether those present understood it any more the second time than the first. But they seemed as interested the second time as the first.<br><br>I read this as a child. There must be something wonderful here but I cannot yet understand it. My guess is that others reading this may feel the same way. Can you put it down for me, please? If others have my same need, can I help you put it down for others also, somehow? <br>- BruceBruce Neubauerhttp://healthandadministration.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com